Pa. Open Carry ~Responsible carry, in the open.

A Few days ago, I asked for some input about open carry in Pa. vs. Calif. in the Law/Legal forum of this site, entitled "loaded or unloaded" . I got a few responses pointing out the fact that I used the term "clip" when I should have said Magazine. While the first response was okay, the second one was very informative with the visual aid. I noticed the en-bloc, the stripper clip like the ones I have for my SKS, but that paper clip, I recognized right off the bat. I can appreciate using the correct terms and know the difference between a clip and a magazine . And I will make an effort to call it a magazine when I think about it , but if the word clip rolls off my tongue first, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. If you google "Clip or Magazine" you will see a lot of people have discussed this topic before this. The majority of info points out that "magazine" is the correct term in the application of my posting yet it also points out that "clip" is commonly used and accepted. I personally think we should be more concerned about things like what's going on in Chicago and other places, but I would like to hear what others think. Do some of you sometimes say clip ?

I don't let either term bother me,both deal with loading ammo into a type of device which is then inserted into a gun.
Clip,mag,mag,clip,both do the same thing,now speed loader is a whole nuther animal.

(07-03-2010 09:00 AM)redeye202 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't let either term bother me,both deal with loading ammo into a type of device which is then inserted into a gun.
Clip,mag,mag,clip,both do the same thing,now speed loader is a whole nuther animal.

They are NOT the same.
A clip hols ammo, that gets loaded into a magazine.
A magazine holds ammo that is feed to the chamber.

Using them in the wrong context, makes one appear as un-educated.

Just like people rip on media writers when they use the wrong terminology.

(07-03-2010 09:25 AM)fingers Wrote: [ -> ]Using them in the wrong context, makes one appear as un-educated.

Just like people rip on media writers when they use the wrong terminology.

Exactly.

If we didn't care about proper terminology, we'd all carry Glocks. After all, every time there's a shooting, the news seems to call the gun a Glock.

They also call them "automatics" and "assault weapons" and so on.

The same thing goes with the LTCF. It is NOT a "concealed carry permit" or anything like that. It's License to Carry Firearms that does allows so much more than concealed carry.

Just because Hollywood does it, that doesn't mean that it's right. It may be commonly used, but it certainly isn't accepted among those who know and respect firearms. And like Fingers said, it's a reflection of intelligence (appearance or real).

Now if you don't mind, I need to go practice firing my automatic Glock assault weapon. I only use cop-killer bullets in the clip. And I hold it sideways, too...

I think that it is, in the absence of a compelling reason to desist in specific instances, it is better to know than not to know. And ya'll thought I ain't had no learnin.

I was under the impression that this was a friendly site where gun enthusiasts gathered to share knowledge & experiences. If everyone's post is dissected, (ex. spelling, puncuation, & terminology) then no one will feel comfortable posting. Perhaps the self-appointed paradigm of this sight could school his buddy on:
1. Spelling - ex. holds not "hols" & fed not "feed".
2. Punctuation - no comma needed after the word ammo.
And last but not least, using a hyphen in the word. "un-educated", makes one appear uneducated. Can't we all just get along? Fight nice boys!!

Methinks your skin is too thin, womanwithweapon. I wasn't fighting. I wasn't writing in all caps to show yelling. I wasn't using "fighting" emoticons. I wasn't calling anyone names.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that anyone was fighting...I certainly didn't get that impression from any of the previous posters. This is how I'd type if I chose to fight on the Internet:

HEY, MORON! IT'S NOT A CLIP! IT'S A MAGAZINE! GET IT RIGHT...YOU'RE MAKING US LOOK LIKE UNEDUCATED HICKS!


See the difference?

(By the way...it's "site" not "sight" if you want to get technical. )

As you will notice,I spelled it site in one spot and sight in the other. That proves my point. Have a happy 4th everybody!

(07-03-2010 01:37 PM)womanwithweapon Wrote: [ -> ] I was under the impression that this was a friendly site where gun enthusiasts gathered to share knowledge & experiences. If everyone's post is dissected, (ex. spelling, puncuation, & terminology) then no one will feel comfortable posting.

IMO, there is a BIG difference between picking about spelling and punctuation, and the correct terminology on firearms related topics. This site is indeed intended to educate, and as such, should do so accurately. Such correction can range from polite to rude, and there is much to be said about proper delivery, but I don't think anyone should be criticized for actually providing a needed correction. What if we didn't make an differentiation between "open carry" and "concealed carry"? After all, either way, we're just talking about 'carrying a firearm'.

Just remember that SOME weapons use BOTH! (The M-14 has a magazine that can be loaded from the top of the breech with a clip..designed that way so that all of the ammo then currently in the system, pre-loaded on stripper clips for the M-1A, could still be used.)

My pet peeve? I lose my mind when folks get loose with spelling. Lose and loose are not the same word.

Now what I am going to say is touchy and by no means am I saying this is you.

But every time I hear someone say "clip" when they are talking about a magazine, they are usually wanna-be gangster idiots.
Usually teenage white kids who listen to gangster rap and dont know anything about firearms.

Again, Im not saying you are that type of person, Im just giving you my experience.

With that said, I dont think Im alone in that thinking.

Also, when you use the term magazine and you are talking to other knowledgeable gun folks, why embarrass yourself by calling a mag a "clip" ?

Imo pop a clip in my gat and bus some caps on yo ass, yo!

Found this little article on Google:

A CLIP IS NOT A MAGAZINE!

One of the most misused terms in firearms is "Clip".

Depending on how you look at it, it is either amusing or pitiful that writers who consider themselves experts or authorities don't know the difference between a magazine and a clip.

A clip is a very different thing to a magazine and the terms are not interchangeable.

Saying "clip" when you mean "magazine" is rather like talking about socks when you mean boots.

A magazine can be defined as a container of ammo. A room full of shells on a battleship is a magazine, and so was the Parthenon when it was used as a powder store.

In small arms terms magazine usually refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism.

The ammo clip was invented in 1885 by Mannlicher and provided a way to place a full load of rounds into a magazine in one action. What many people do not appreciate is that the clip also forms an integral part of the gun's mechanism. If the rounds are not held in a clip the gun cannot go through the full cycle of chamber, fire and eject.

If a weapon is clip-loading you can't load it with loose ammo.

This is why the two terms should not be confused.

Firstly because the clip actually fits inside a magazine. Some clip-loading automatic cannon don't appear to have any magazine, the clip slotting onto the top of the weapon and the rounds feeding down. For simplicity we'll restrict our discussion to small arms.

Secondly, when you say an arm is clip-loading you are describing a specific type of mechanism. When I say the Home defense shotgun should be a clip-loader, I'm specifying that it SHOUDN'T be capable of being loaded with loose rounds.

One of the most famous and widely used clip-fed weapons is the M1 Garand rifle. It may be the wide use of this weapon that has caused so many Americans to confuse reloads with clips. You might argue that you can hand-load a single round into the chamber of a Garand and fire it, but you are performing the loading part of the firing cycle instead of the clip, so the above definition still holds.

Chargers. A device that looks very much like a clip is the charger. Both resemble a little rail that holds the rounds by the rim.

The difference is that the charger is a form of speedloader that was invented by Paul Mauser in 1889. The charger does not enter the magazine, but fits into a guide above it so that the rounds can be pushed from the rail down into the magazine.

Examples of well known charger-loaded weapons are the Lee Enfield, Springfield 1906, SKS and Mauser C96 pistols. Many later models of Mauser pistol could be loaded with both chargers and detachable magazines.

If you are not sure if a weapon uses chargers or clips, then the big giveaway is whether the device fits inside a magazine or stays without. Also, you can load a charger-loaded weapon with loose ammo. Many chargers only hold half or a third of the weapon's magazine capacity, allowing the shooter to top up before he has shot empty.

Chargers and clips are both devices for loading magazines, but one is a vital part of the gun's mechanism and fits inside the magazine, the other is an optional device that does not.

Stripper Clip (or Stripper) is an alternate term for charger, "stripper" being added to distinguish it from true clips. Some authors mainly use this term for a type of charger that is used to load magazines when they are not attached to the weapon. Either use is correct.

I thought a charger was a Dodge....