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TheManWithNoName · 04-30-2009, 08:37 AM

Here is something interesting...
iTAC Defense makes the accessories for SIG Sauer.

Compare:
http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowPro...ductid=270
http://itacdefense.com/ShowProductDetail...goryID=228

I've compared the AR-15 mags that iTAC produces with the "SIG" magazines that come with the 556 rifle. Exactly the same, except the logo. iTAC also makes the SIG diopter sight, and their mini red dot sight that SIG sells. I think they also made the holographic sight that SIG used to offer.

http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowPro...goryid=104
http://itacdefense.com/ShowProducts.aspx?CategoryID=27

spencer280

just to let everyone know black hawk was wrong the serpa for the xd does not fit the xdm it was to tight. next month going to get the low profile rail mounted laser from laser max but i'm going to get it threw eBay there selling them new for 160.00, but normally run for 200.00

TheManWithNoName · 05-04-2009, 10:28 AM

(05-02-2009 12:18 PM)spencer280 Wrote: just to let everyone know black hawk was wrong the serpa for the xd does not fit the xdm it was to tight. next month going to get the low profile rail mounted laser from laser max but i'm going to get it threw eBay there selling them new for 160.00, but normally run for 200.00

This needs to be clarified. The Blackhawk Serpa holster designed for the XD will fit XDm models. There may be a little wiggle, but the retention works perfectly. I don't have much wiggle in mine at all. The XDm should not fit too tight. If anything the fit is too loose. Maybe if you adjust the tension screw? Did you try one to compare?

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I got mine through midway on sale. For the price I think it is hard to beat. Regarding the iTAC product, I think the extra money for the Serpa is well worth it. My experience (and that of many others) is that the iTAC magazines are very unreliable. Based on that, I wouldn't want to buy their holster. The Serpa however, has a large following for roughly the same price, and has proved it's worth as far as I'm concerned. It's not perfect but for 35 bucks?

thetruepyromaniak · 05-04-2009, 06:57 PM

Has anyone ever had a wild bill holster? I just bought one, waiting for it to arrive. Its bull leather, life time warrenty, and seems to be well made.

spaceace77 · 05-05-2009, 07:38 AM

Personally, I like my IWB CC holster, as it does not catch on anything. I use the DeSantis Tuck This ll with a SA Service 9mm. The nylon never chaafs my side and the garment spring clip is solid even without a belt.

mrjam2jab · 05-09-2009, 07:17 PM

Having never gone shopping for a holster...what is the "protocol" for "trying it on for size"? Obviously you want it to fit your gun, do you inform the sales person you are about to bring out your gun? Do you "just do it"...

thetruepyromaniak · 05-09-2009, 07:51 PM

(05-09-2009 07:17 PM)mrjam2jab Wrote: Having never gone shopping for a holster...what is the "protocol" for "trying it on for size"? Obviously you want it to fit your gun, do you inform the sales person you are about to bring out your gun? Do you "just do it"...

I always just do it. never any problems.

truecrimson · 05-09-2009, 10:47 PM

I don't like the idea of pulling out my loaded carry weapon. I've usually asked to check the fit on a gun of the same model that they had in the counter.

As long as it's a known good brand and designated for your make and model of gun there shouldn't be a problem. If you were having trouble finding a holster for a gun, and were looking at holsters that were for other weapons but might fit I could understand needing to check fit.

spencer280 · 05-09-2009, 11:47 PM

no i ask at the counter and the guy said go ahead he had no problem with it.

TheNewGuy · 05-21-2009, 09:44 AM

I use a Fobus paddle holster for my HK USP Compact (not pictured, obviously). In my (admittedly inexperienced) opinion, it's got good retention, it's definitely comfortable, quite light, and it's pretty sturdy. It's pretty inexpensive too, the site I borrowed the picture from is selling it for $23.79, I got mine at Gander Mountain for $29.99 I think.

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MJFletcher · 05-21-2009, 07:52 PM

The problems most people have with Fobus holsters are construction (their price is cheap for a reason) and lack of an active retention device (lock, thumb break, etc).

TheNewGuy · 05-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Yeah MJ, that's a definite concern. Me being an OC newbie, I went with the most easily available option to get me started. It's not bad, to be honest, held in place pretty well for a few short sprints just a bit ago. Took the girlfriend, son and nephew for a walk around town and it held pretty tight the whole way.

I'm definitely gonna look into a level 2 retention one of some sort pretty soon. The serpa's look nice.

MJFletcher

I don't OC yet* but I've checked out the serpas and I'll definitely recommend them.
Also look into Safariland ALS holsters. The lock on them is internal (it locks to the ejection port) and the release for it is between the gun and your body right next to the slide (where your thumb will be hitting it when drawing naturally).
But don't rule out leather with a thumb break. There's just something 'classy' about a nice, molded, tooled leather holster.
Whatever you decide to go with, spend alot of time practicing drawing from it so it becomes second nature.

There's a video on youtube titled something like "why you shouldn't use paddle holsters" and from my understanding the holster in the video is a fobus. Short summation, gun grab demo and the "perp" just puts downward force on the guns grips and the holster body separates from the paddle bc its not as securely attached as it should be.

*I want to get some retention training and a little basic hand-to-hand first just in case of an attempted gun grab.

ETA: If you decide to go serpa, check NRAStore.com out, they have a couple models of serpa for $35 bucks there. They also have alot of other gear that's less than if you buy direct from the manufacturer.

TheNewGuy · 05-21-2009, 08:37 PM

Huh, strange, mine feels much more secure than that. Just in case though, I'll look into something with a better reputation as soon as my wallet permits Wink

You "don't carry concealed yet"; May I ask what concealed holster you use? I'd like to pick up one of those too just in case of a scenario where I'd prefer to conceal.

MJFletcher

For now I'm CC only. I use a Comp-Tac CTAC and carry a Taurus PT140Pro. The CTAC is a tuckable IWB holster. I cut off the clips once I had it set where I wanted it, they originally had 6 adjustment holes in them. I also replaced the leather pieces the clips attach to, the ones that came with it just didn't work for me.

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mrjam2jab

(05-21-2009 07:52 PM)MJFletcher Wrote: The problems most people have with Fobus holsters are construction (their price is cheap for a reason) and lack of an active retention device (lock, thumb break, etc).

was just perusing the web...Googled "retention holster for s&W 3913"...and one of first sites was Fobus...

Quote:Combines our passive retention system with a snap release thumb break.

Since i dont know anything about retention holsters...I only have an ambi holster...is the above not what you are referring to?

TheNewGuy · 05-22-2009, 03:24 PM

Dunno which MJ was specifically referring to, but the Fobus I linked does not have an active retention system (thumb break, lever operated trigger guard lock, etc.), it's just passive retention by hugging the frame of the pistol.

MJFletcher · 05-22-2009, 06:28 PM

(05-22-2009 03:19 PM)mrjam2jab Wrote:
(05-21-2009 07:52 PM)MJFletcher Wrote: The problems most people have with Fobus holsters are construction (their price is cheap for a reason) and lack of an active retention device (lock, thumb break, etc).

was just perusing the web...Googled "retention holster for s&W 3913"...and one of first sites was Fobus...

Quote:Combines our passive retention system with a snap release thumb break.

Since i dont know anything about retention holsters...I only have an ambi holster...is the above not what you are referring to?

Like I said in the post you quoted, "most people..." I don't use them because my issue with them is the quality of the construction, others have stated lack of active retention, I never looked to see if they have anything with active retention.

Here's the video I referred to earlier, in the demo they use a fobus holster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ

mrjam2jab · 05-23-2009, 12:40 PM

(05-22-2009 06:28 PM)MJFletcher Wrote: Like I said in the post you quoted, "most people..." I don't use them because my issue with them is the quality of the construction, others have stated lack of active retention, I never looked to see if they have anything with active retention.

Here's the video I referred to earlier, in the demo they use a fobus holster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ

I'm certainly not questioning your judgment...dont take it that way.

I guess my question really should have been...the image on the site i found looks exactly like the image NewGuy supplied above. The description on the site says "thumb break"...but i dont see that in the pic. In my mind...a thumb break is the snap strap that loops over the gun...am i thinking correctly and the site is just using an image that doesnt show that?

MJFletcher · 05-23-2009, 01:07 PM

(05-23-2009 12:40 PM)mrjam2jab Wrote: I'm certainly not questioning your judgment...dont take it that way.

No worries, I didn't take it that way at all. Sometimes posts on a forum lose all 'context' because there's no body language to define them. But by all means, until you get to know me better feel free to question my judgement. I'd rather have you question my judgement on something so that I have to explain it than just take what I say as golden without first knowing if I have a clue what I'm talking about.

Quote:I guess my question really should have been...the image on the site i found looks exactly like the image NewGuy supplied above. The description on the site says "thumb break"...but i dont see that in the pic. In my mind...a thumb break is the snap strap that loops over the gun...am i thinking correctly and the site is just using an image that doesnt show that?

You're completely correct, whether its leather, rubber, vinyl, or whatever else a thumb break wraps up over the back of the gun and is relased with the thumb. I think fobus went extremely lazy with their site and only took a handful of pics because a good number of their product pages have a statement along the lines of "Photo not of actual product." I can understand not taking a pic of every single model of gun in each type of holster, but not taking one pic each for each type of holster so the shopper can see the product they're spending money on is just lazy. If they're that lazy about marketing their product I'm scared of what production and quality control are like.

I've read posts on other forums from people that love their fobus, but from what I've seen of their products on the shelf, in multiple video demonstrations online, the laziness in their site design, and other lesser issues i can't recall right now I'll steer clear of their products. If I can get a quality product cheap, great. If not, I don't mind spending a little money on something that I know will hold up.