<![CDATA[Pa. Open Carry ~Responsible carry, in the open. - All Forums]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:43:52 -0400 MyBB <![CDATA[Deleted]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=580 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:18:33 -0400 htguru http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=580 <![CDATA[Open vs. Concealed]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=579 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:41:32 -0400 ngordon82 http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=579 <![CDATA[Interested in photographing OC around Williamsport]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=574 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:08:59 -0400 jimoconnell http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=574 I've been a member on these forums for a few months.
I initially found PAOpenCarry when I was Googling for info on obtaining my LTCF after returning to PA and the local range said they required one for me to use my pistol at their place. Before finding this site, I was unaware of the OC movement and I must say that it was a pleasant surprise to see such a polite and responsible group of people.

As I said, I returned to the area this Spring. I had been living overseas for a dozen years. (My mother was sick, so I came back suddenly.) I'd been living in Japan, where private ownership of guns is basically illegal, so my pistol sat in storage.

All that said, I am also a photographer and photojournalist. I've been thinking lately that I might like to do a story on some of you and pitch it to some newspapers and magazines. Unlike a lot of the press OC gets, I'm more interested in showing the positive side of what you all are about—spinning it as another "gun nut" story has no appeal to me and I'd like to keep it as un-political as possible. Basically I'd like to show reasonable people exercising their constitutional rights responsibly, without letting race/sex/political affiliation become dividing factors in how the readers form an opinion about OC.

Hopefully this sounds interesting to a few of you and you might want to help me put together this story. For lack of a car, I'm pretty limited to the Williamsport area, but I have a photo studio here where I'd like to do some portraits and some basic interviews. After that, I'd be interested in photographing some typical scenes from a day of open carry—going to a café, store or restaurant and the interactions you have with people you meet such as passing out the pamphlets that many of you distribute. For obvious reasons, I'd like this to be with people free and clear to legally carry, as well as with people with positive stories and experiences to share.

If you're not in the area and would still like to share your thoughts, you are welcome to contact me via email at oc@mmdc.net or take a look around my website: http://mmdc.net

Thanks,
Jim O'Connell]]> I've been a member on these forums for a few months.
I initially found PAOpenCarry when I was Googling for info on obtaining my LTCF after returning to PA and the local range said they required one for me to use my pistol at their place. Before finding this site, I was unaware of the OC movement and I must say that it was a pleasant surprise to see such a polite and responsible group of people.

As I said, I returned to the area this Spring. I had been living overseas for a dozen years. (My mother was sick, so I came back suddenly.) I'd been living in Japan, where private ownership of guns is basically illegal, so my pistol sat in storage.

All that said, I am also a photographer and photojournalist. I've been thinking lately that I might like to do a story on some of you and pitch it to some newspapers and magazines. Unlike a lot of the press OC gets, I'm more interested in showing the positive side of what you all are about—spinning it as another "gun nut" story has no appeal to me and I'd like to keep it as un-political as possible. Basically I'd like to show reasonable people exercising their constitutional rights responsibly, without letting race/sex/political affiliation become dividing factors in how the readers form an opinion about OC.

Hopefully this sounds interesting to a few of you and you might want to help me put together this story. For lack of a car, I'm pretty limited to the Williamsport area, but I have a photo studio here where I'd like to do some portraits and some basic interviews. After that, I'd be interested in photographing some typical scenes from a day of open carry—going to a café, store or restaurant and the interactions you have with people you meet such as passing out the pamphlets that many of you distribute. For obvious reasons, I'd like this to be with people free and clear to legally carry, as well as with people with positive stories and experiences to share.

If you're not in the area and would still like to share your thoughts, you are welcome to contact me via email at oc@mmdc.net or take a look around my website: http://mmdc.net

Thanks,
Jim O'Connell]]> <![CDATA[taurus 40 or 45]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=572 Sun, 08 Aug 2010 01:02:48 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=572 <![CDATA[New Guns]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=571 Sat, 07 Aug 2010 21:56:36 -0400 tom_20m http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=571 <![CDATA[LTCF Processing in Butler County Temporarily Halted]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=570 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:38:20 -0400 Paradigm http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=570
http://www.insidebutlercounty.com/index....ily-halted

Quote:The Butler County Sheriff's Office has announced that pistol permits will be temporarily discontinued two weeks from this Friday.

Sheriff Mike Slupe says the LTC, or License-To-Carry, computer system has been upgraded in Harrisburg, and that the stoppage would allow the county to be compliant with the new system, which affects all 67 counties in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Slupe said that permit issuance will resume on Wednesday, September 1st at 8:30am.
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http://www.insidebutlercounty.com/index....ily-halted

Quote:The Butler County Sheriff's Office has announced that pistol permits will be temporarily discontinued two weeks from this Friday.

Sheriff Mike Slupe says the LTC, or License-To-Carry, computer system has been upgraded in Harrisburg, and that the stoppage would allow the county to be compliant with the new system, which affects all 67 counties in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Slupe said that permit issuance will resume on Wednesday, September 1st at 8:30am.
]]> <![CDATA[Can you carry at the pittsburgh zoo]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=569 Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:39:06 -0400 spencer280 http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=569 <![CDATA[OC holster for taurus 66]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=568 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:21:36 -0400 ngordon82 http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=568 <![CDATA[Pennsylvania Law Understanding]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=567 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:04:19 -0400 pacarry http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=567 <![CDATA[OC Southeast PA (Chester County)]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=566 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:25:41 -0400 JSG http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=566 <![CDATA[lasers or laser/light combos]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=565 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:41:10 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=565 <![CDATA[bars/taverns]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=559 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 11:25:20 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=559 <![CDATA[legallity of carrying a knife]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=558 Sat, 03 Jul 2010 19:03:34 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=558 <![CDATA[Clip vs. Magazine]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=557 Sat, 03 Jul 2010 08:27:15 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=557 <![CDATA[loaded or unloaded ?]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=555 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:05:40 -0400 hjmoosejaw http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=555 <![CDATA[Dr visit]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=552 Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:17:57 -0400 railjack http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=552 <![CDATA[Car Searched by Pittsbirgh Police]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=551 Sun, 20 Jun 2010 02:35:00 -0400 Ricochet http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=551
Let me preface this post by saying that I am a 31 year old professional who was once a TSA at Baltimore/Washington airport with US Customs and DEA clearances.
I have always held LEO's in very high regard since working along side them.

Now onto what happened.

Approximately one week ago, a friend was in a minor car accident was taken to Allegheny general Hospital. After he was discharged, he called me and asked if I would pick him up since his car was towed after the accident.

I was fishing at the time of his call, and packed up my gear and drove directly to the hospital to pick him up.
Afterward, we stopped for gasoline on the way to his house.
My friend is a 28 year old very clean cut , well mannered black male attending grad school at Pitt.

After I pumped my fuel, I got in my vehicle and left the gas station using all my turn signals.

I then noticed a PPD vehicle behind me with his light bar activated.

I pulled over and the officer asked for my license and reg.

I handed it to him and politely asked: "may I ask why I am being pulled over sir?"

The officers reply was "Because thats what I do" and her immediately pulled me out of my vehicle with no explanation and asked me to lean on my bumper.

Keep in mind I have NO warrants, my car is 100% legal and is fully insured.

Other officers arrive on scene and take my friend out of the passenger seat and talk to him.

After having my friend exit the vehicle, they (3 LEO's) immediately begin searching my vehicle.

I make it clear to all LEO's that I NEVER consented to a search and the original officer yelled in my face "You can tell that to the judge! You must watch too much law and order. This isnt Hollywood you know". I then asked him for the second time, why was I pulled over and what was his probable cause or even reasonable suspicion to search my vehicle.
The same officer tells a lain clothes officer to "take him over to the curb , have him sit down and shut his mouth"

The plainclothes officer pats me down and asked me if I "had any contraband on my person or the vehicle" I said no.

As they search my vehicle, they find a loose .40 bullet that was at the bottom of a book bag that I use at the range. He then asks me if I own a firearm, I say yes. He then asked me if it was in the vehicle, I said yes (knowing full well they were about to find it) He opened the truck and saw that I had a cased and UNLOADED Sig 229 with two loaded magazines in a separate case.

He then yelled at me "I asked you if you had any contraband, what the hell do you think a gun is?" I replied, it is a firearm I legally bought, I didn't think that was considered contraband". The rude LEO said "yeah, you got all the answers dont you?"
The polite plain clothes officer who was standing beside me was clearly embarrassed my the rude LEO's behavior.
I told him "I have a Sportsman Firearms Permit and I was just carrying that firearm while fishing.
The nice LEO then smiled and I gave him my SFP and he ran the info over his radio to verify it along with the SN# of my Sig.
Both came back clean.


After the officers talked a bit, they all shrugged and asked me one more time "Do you have any drugs or other weapons in this car" I said "NO".

They told my friend and I that "we were free to leave".

As I sat down in my vehicle, the rude LEO came up to me and said "I will be filing a street incident report that only police officers can see. If you are in this area again, all police will know about this incident here today" I told him "Thats fine with me, I have not broken any laws".
He just turned his back and left.

Folks, I honestly dont know what to make of what happened. I was given NO traffic violation and more importantly NO reason as to why they did this.
One of the many reasons I left Maryland was because of the horrible abuse of power that most (not all) MD LEO's practice there.

I had no idea that in Pittsburgh, a city that I really enjoy living in so far had the same problem.

Now I know that this is probably rare, but irregardless, it was WRONG.

The only reason that I can think of as to why he pulled me over, was because I am white, and my friend in the passenger seat was black.

With my attorneys help, I plan to get some type of explanation. But in the mean time, I would like to hear your thoughts.]]>
Let me preface this post by saying that I am a 31 year old professional who was once a TSA at Baltimore/Washington airport with US Customs and DEA clearances.
I have always held LEO's in very high regard since working along side them.

Now onto what happened.

Approximately one week ago, a friend was in a minor car accident was taken to Allegheny general Hospital. After he was discharged, he called me and asked if I would pick him up since his car was towed after the accident.

I was fishing at the time of his call, and packed up my gear and drove directly to the hospital to pick him up.
Afterward, we stopped for gasoline on the way to his house.
My friend is a 28 year old very clean cut , well mannered black male attending grad school at Pitt.

After I pumped my fuel, I got in my vehicle and left the gas station using all my turn signals.

I then noticed a PPD vehicle behind me with his light bar activated.

I pulled over and the officer asked for my license and reg.

I handed it to him and politely asked: "may I ask why I am being pulled over sir?"

The officers reply was "Because thats what I do" and her immediately pulled me out of my vehicle with no explanation and asked me to lean on my bumper.

Keep in mind I have NO warrants, my car is 100% legal and is fully insured.

Other officers arrive on scene and take my friend out of the passenger seat and talk to him.

After having my friend exit the vehicle, they (3 LEO's) immediately begin searching my vehicle.

I make it clear to all LEO's that I NEVER consented to a search and the original officer yelled in my face "You can tell that to the judge! You must watch too much law and order. This isnt Hollywood you know". I then asked him for the second time, why was I pulled over and what was his probable cause or even reasonable suspicion to search my vehicle.
The same officer tells a lain clothes officer to "take him over to the curb , have him sit down and shut his mouth"

The plainclothes officer pats me down and asked me if I "had any contraband on my person or the vehicle" I said no.

As they search my vehicle, they find a loose .40 bullet that was at the bottom of a book bag that I use at the range. He then asks me if I own a firearm, I say yes. He then asked me if it was in the vehicle, I said yes (knowing full well they were about to find it) He opened the truck and saw that I had a cased and UNLOADED Sig 229 with two loaded magazines in a separate case.

He then yelled at me "I asked you if you had any contraband, what the hell do you think a gun is?" I replied, it is a firearm I legally bought, I didn't think that was considered contraband". The rude LEO said "yeah, you got all the answers dont you?"
The polite plain clothes officer who was standing beside me was clearly embarrassed my the rude LEO's behavior.
I told him "I have a Sportsman Firearms Permit and I was just carrying that firearm while fishing.
The nice LEO then smiled and I gave him my SFP and he ran the info over his radio to verify it along with the SN# of my Sig.
Both came back clean.


After the officers talked a bit, they all shrugged and asked me one more time "Do you have any drugs or other weapons in this car" I said "NO".

They told my friend and I that "we were free to leave".

As I sat down in my vehicle, the rude LEO came up to me and said "I will be filing a street incident report that only police officers can see. If you are in this area again, all police will know about this incident here today" I told him "Thats fine with me, I have not broken any laws".
He just turned his back and left.

Folks, I honestly dont know what to make of what happened. I was given NO traffic violation and more importantly NO reason as to why they did this.
One of the many reasons I left Maryland was because of the horrible abuse of power that most (not all) MD LEO's practice there.

I had no idea that in Pittsburgh, a city that I really enjoy living in so far had the same problem.

Now I know that this is probably rare, but irregardless, it was WRONG.

The only reason that I can think of as to why he pulled me over, was because I am white, and my friend in the passenger seat was black.

With my attorneys help, I plan to get some type of explanation. But in the mean time, I would like to hear your thoughts.]]> <![CDATA[OC on a bike]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=550 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:25:29 -0400 Kaxi http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=550 Confused
§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle

That says IN ANY VEHICLE..Rulez..but a Motorcycle you can't get in you get on... and it says nothing about Petal Bikes...Any Thoughts?:]]> Confused
§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle

That says IN ANY VEHICLE..Rulez..but a Motorcycle you can't get in you get on... and it says nothing about Petal Bikes...Any Thoughts?:]]> <![CDATA[SA OC, who carries one regularly?]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=549 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:12:10 -0400 Xringshooter http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=549
Same thing seems to happened when I OC one of my semis or DA revolvers - most people don't ever even notice it - or they notice it but just don't say anything. So far I've not had any major run ins with the local gendarmes.]]>
Same thing seems to happened when I OC one of my semis or DA revolvers - most people don't ever even notice it - or they notice it but just don't say anything. So far I've not had any major run ins with the local gendarmes.]]> <![CDATA[Non-Firearm Open Carry]]> http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=546 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:03:57 -0400 Fostro http://paopencarry.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=546
I'm a 20 year old who moved up from Ohio to attend college in downtown Pittsburgh, and I work for the Allegheny County Adult Probation Office.
I have 15 years of martial arts experience as well.

I recently purchased a RCB expandable baton. I went and got a holster.
I'm having a hard time finding anything about carrying the baton, and the closest I can find is the knife laws. I obviously can't get an LTCF and this isn't a firearm, but a metal stick is nonetheless a visual deterrent and even effective in violent self-defense situation.

Can I carry this thing? I'd hate to have bought something I can't take out.
At most, I'd put it in my book bag or something.

Would you guys be able to help me out?

*edit- I definitely put this in the wrong forum.]]>
I'm a 20 year old who moved up from Ohio to attend college in downtown Pittsburgh, and I work for the Allegheny County Adult Probation Office.
I have 15 years of martial arts experience as well.

I recently purchased a RCB expandable baton. I went and got a holster.
I'm having a hard time finding anything about carrying the baton, and the closest I can find is the knife laws. I obviously can't get an LTCF and this isn't a firearm, but a metal stick is nonetheless a visual deterrent and even effective in violent self-defense situation.

Can I carry this thing? I'd hate to have bought something I can't take out.
At most, I'd put it in my book bag or something.

Would you guys be able to help me out?

*edit- I definitely put this in the wrong forum.]]>